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		<title>By: JoWynn Johns</title>
		<link>http://www.gregrittler.com/2009/05/09/good-reasons-not-to-invite-friends-to-church/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>JoWynn Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My most succinct answer to your question above is, &quot;Practice. Practice. Practice.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My most succinct answer to your question above is, &#8220;Practice. Practice. Practice.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JoWynn Johns</title>
		<link>http://www.gregrittler.com/2009/05/09/good-reasons-not-to-invite-friends-to-church/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>JoWynn Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad I can&#039;t subscribe to your blog with my RSS reader.</description>
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		<title>By: JoWynn Johns</title>
		<link>http://www.gregrittler.com/2009/05/09/good-reasons-not-to-invite-friends-to-church/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>JoWynn Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psalm 16, in the Revised English Version, is my mantra. For 16 years I have recited it and parts of it over and over daily and especially during sleepless nights. &quot;You will show me the path of life. In your Presence is fulness of joy. At your right hand are pleasures forever more.&quot;

When I was breaking down and without diagnosis, I asked for guidance, and guidance has been coming ever since.

&quot;The bottom line is that you need to work with God to address those things that you need to address. This take time and insight and a fair amount of asking him to guide you.&quot; And all of the above. Living more and more in the Presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psalm 16, in the Revised English Version, is my mantra. For 16 years I have recited it and parts of it over and over daily and especially during sleepless nights. &#8220;You will show me the path of life. In your Presence is fulness of joy. At your right hand are pleasures forever more.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I was breaking down and without diagnosis, I asked for guidance, and guidance has been coming ever since.</p>
<p>&#8220;The bottom line is that you need to work with God to address those things that you need to address. This take time and insight and a fair amount of asking him to guide you.&#8221; And all of the above. Living more and more in the Presence.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Rittler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Rittler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 12:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brody-

I don&#039;t know that doing/saying different things is going to change much. I would say the question might be &quot;are we willing to become the kind of people and places where the kingdom of God is obviously present in a way that people see and hear and want to join us?&quot; For that I think it will take a long process of teaching people the ways of Jesus by practical means.

This may begin by teaching on what it actually means to be a disciple. There is great confusion in the church about this. Here is an example of that: http://tinyurl.com/qr4k8b. We need an understanding of what this life with Jesus is really like. I would say you could go a far distance with this definition: being with Jesus in order to become like Jesus. The pathway for a disciple is becoming like Jesus in everything that we do. This will take many years and much training but it can and does happen.

Scripture meditation has been crucial in my life. Certain passages in my own life have given me great encouragement and power to this end. I have memorized Psalm 16 and 23. Both of which, especially Psalm 23, embody the gospel more fully than I think I ever could in my own words. Memorizing these gives power to let go of self and live interactively with God. Also Colossians 3:1-17 has been a terrific passage to study. My life is hidden with Christ in God so now what: I put off things and take on the character of God.  

Practically, I am working on what this looks like for a fellowship that I have met with for a few years. We have heard much great teaching from various people. This summer we are going to take that teaching and try to live out the disciplines in a Christ dependent life that we have learned about. I am still working on the details but perhaps it is fasting for an extended period followed by a time of interactive prayer with God where we listen first and then speak. Or it may be a time of solitude practiced with the group coming back and reporting what happened in their time. It may be that we engage in service opportunity that take us very much outside of our &quot;box&quot; and put us into situations that are uncomfortable.

I think that God enables and empowers us to be very creative with how we go down this journey. The means can be varied and constantly changing. I once read Psalm 16 for the better part of a year as the only scripture that I read. That season is over now and I am meditating on new passages. Reading through scripture quickly (many have done a 90 day program to read through the scripture). The bottom line is that you need to work with God to address those things that you need to address. This take time and insight and a fair amount of asking him to guide you.

There is great freedom, flexibility, and opportunity in the Kingdom for a new way of living. However, we need to step into it and take risks to see what God will do.

What are your thoughts about how to become more and more of a disciple of Christ?

Keep moving forward,

Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brody-</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that doing/saying different things is going to change much. I would say the question might be &#8220;are we willing to become the kind of people and places where the kingdom of God is obviously present in a way that people see and hear and want to join us?&#8221; For that I think it will take a long process of teaching people the ways of Jesus by practical means.</p>
<p>This may begin by teaching on what it actually means to be a disciple. There is great confusion in the church about this. Here is an example of that: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/qr4k8b" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/qr4k8b</a>. We need an understanding of what this life with Jesus is really like. I would say you could go a far distance with this definition: being with Jesus in order to become like Jesus. The pathway for a disciple is becoming like Jesus in everything that we do. This will take many years and much training but it can and does happen.</p>
<p>Scripture meditation has been crucial in my life. Certain passages in my own life have given me great encouragement and power to this end. I have memorized Psalm 16 and 23. Both of which, especially Psalm 23, embody the gospel more fully than I think I ever could in my own words. Memorizing these gives power to let go of self and live interactively with God. Also Colossians 3:1-17 has been a terrific passage to study. My life is hidden with Christ in God so now what: I put off things and take on the character of God.  </p>
<p>Practically, I am working on what this looks like for a fellowship that I have met with for a few years. We have heard much great teaching from various people. This summer we are going to take that teaching and try to live out the disciplines in a Christ dependent life that we have learned about. I am still working on the details but perhaps it is fasting for an extended period followed by a time of interactive prayer with God where we listen first and then speak. Or it may be a time of solitude practiced with the group coming back and reporting what happened in their time. It may be that we engage in service opportunity that take us very much outside of our &#8220;box&#8221; and put us into situations that are uncomfortable.</p>
<p>I think that God enables and empowers us to be very creative with how we go down this journey. The means can be varied and constantly changing. I once read Psalm 16 for the better part of a year as the only scripture that I read. That season is over now and I am meditating on new passages. Reading through scripture quickly (many have done a 90 day program to read through the scripture). The bottom line is that you need to work with God to address those things that you need to address. This take time and insight and a fair amount of asking him to guide you.</p>
<p>There is great freedom, flexibility, and opportunity in the Kingdom for a new way of living. However, we need to step into it and take risks to see what God will do.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts about how to become more and more of a disciple of Christ?</p>
<p>Keep moving forward,</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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		<title>By: JoWynn Johns</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoWynn Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...start figuring out what true discipleship really looks like. When people can’t be kept away because they want what we have I think we will be onto something.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;start figuring out what true discipleship really looks like. When people can’t be kept away because they want what we have I think we will be onto something.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: Brody Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brody Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are examples of things folks can be doing/saying on Sunday mornings even to start becoming a place outsiders want to come to?

I find after-church time to be often awkward. Tips?</description>
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<p>I find after-church time to be often awkward. Tips?</p>
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		<title>By: John Wynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 10:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milquetoast? Agreed!
How do you know so much about my church even though you haven&#039;t been there in years? What you say rings true. 

Eva heard a commentary on an NPR program which deepens this issue, especially regarding men: Men do not go to church because church is feminized! No &quot;manly&quot; hymns , like &quot;Rise Up, O Men of God&quot;. A friend at my church insists men are being marginalized even in the most &quot;conservative&quot; congregations: through worship, policy, ministry, you name it.

Happy Sabbath!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milquetoast? Agreed!<br />
How do you know so much about my church even though you haven&#8217;t been there in years? What you say rings true. </p>
<p>Eva heard a commentary on an NPR program which deepens this issue, especially regarding men: Men do not go to church because church is feminized! No &#8220;manly&#8221; hymns , like &#8220;Rise Up, O Men of God&#8221;. A friend at my church insists men are being marginalized even in the most &#8220;conservative&#8221; congregations: through worship, policy, ministry, you name it.</p>
<p>Happy Sabbath!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Garvin</title>
		<link>http://www.gregrittler.com/2009/05/09/good-reasons-not-to-invite-friends-to-church/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Garvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 01:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terrific stuff.  Would that every US church takes this to heart.</description>
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